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Fund raising and religious bodies, a street inevitable

Data: September 19, 2007

Otto per mille
Why do fund raising for religious bodies, will certainly be on the rise in Italy? I try to explain it briefly.

You all know that the bulk of resources for the "Churches" in Italy comes from 8 per thousand. The whole setting of the "System 8% °" is based on one word: integration.

What comes to the priests of 8% °, with the aim of ensuring the sustenance of the clergy, integrating what already is assured thanks to the priest from the parish or other income from services (teaching religion in schools public, teaching or performance in seminaries, colleges, pastoral services in the Curia, hospital services, nursing homes, etc..).

Otto per Mille There was concern from the beginning to save a principle of value: the ideal would be that the Christian community will take charge of ensuring the livelihood of their priests, as well as other costs must be borne by the ministry (maintenance of the Church , costs for diocesan services, etc..). The eight per thousand has been and continues to be a good solution - envied by other nations - to solve the problem of maintaining the clergy. Among other things, has helped solve the problem of inequality that exist in the first system of benefits / fair.

The system, however, carries some risks:

  • to reduce the accountability of the Community in respect of the life of the Church, the pastoral and the maintenance of the priests;
  • to feed the image of the priest as a person automatically is guaranteed throughout the life cycle, from the day of his ordination to the condition of old age and long-term care. He is now more than ever, a privileged, especially if compared to the high percentage of young people (over 30%) forced to live in the flexibility / insecurity.
  • also helped create the image of the Italian Church as a Church rich and powerful;
  • also entails the risk to the priest - it lacks a solid ascetic - of bureaucracy in his comfortable level of security and be less able to understand people in difficulty;
  • Finally, historically the start of the "system has resulted in a 8% ° vertical drop in the number of priests involved in the teaching of religion in public schools, with obvious damage pastoral. The teaching, in fact, allowed the priest to pull almost all the young people, including those who do not attend church.

These different specific risk weight. The most worrying is the first, ie the decline of responsibility of the Christian community. Perhaps for this reason, the Conference of Bishops, from the outset it is committed to promoting the system of tenders deductible. The outcome of this initiative, however, is now judged unsatisfactory. I try to interpret the decline of interest in this proposal the Church with the widespread impression that the Church also has too much money and resulting in the conviction that any deductible offerings should be directed to other agencies in need and more socially engaged.

How then to increase the deductible offered, respecting our ecclesial nature? This is the first reason that makes us realize how important the "Fund Raising" for a religious body.

The other problem in the assets of the Diocesan Institutes i. Today there is objectively a climate polemical towards the Catholic Church. The complaint also Dover, where Fr Mucci talks about a new strategy to fight, by the strong powers of communication, against the Catholic Church. Citing three books just came out, he says with a different method, but with a unique style of derision and contempt they constitute a violent attack on religion, the Church, her doctrine and men who represent it. She is unjustly accused of being "privileged" by the state. It is periodically challenged the system of eight per thousand. It 'possible that this is a tempest in a glass of water, but it can not be ignored.

The men of the Church, in my opinion, should carefully consider the problem to increase as much as possible, the economic autonomy of the Church and to reduce its dependence on the integration of eight per thousand, encouraging donations, bequests, wills etc.. Today - we know - it depends on the maintenance of the priests, for almost 90% from eight per thousand.

Herein lies the second reason for the necessity of fund raising for the Church, especially the Catholic Church and its works, so strongly from 8 per thousand employees. The question we should ask is: how to increase the assets of Religious Institutes even overcoming the natural wariness of people to the centralized and less controllable?

Fund raising for religious bodies, along with fund raising for sports and a few other areas will inevitably grow in the coming years. We need fundraising specializing in religious bodies? We'll talk. [Photo by Franz Maga with a license to use creative commons]

12 comments to the post.

  1. James B. Gazzola on September 19, 2007 wrote:

    I fully agree with the analysis described.
    I remember that the religious world has not only "invented" the civilian economy, but also the fund raising as we know it. I expect so she can "diversify" (and if you do not 'already' enough ..) its fundraising.

    I honestly do not know, however, the weight of 8 per thousand in the financial statements of the Church, but thinking about it I wonder what the real meaning of 8 per thousand.
    I really like the second interpretation of the concept of integration. I do not feel, however, 'fully agree.
    I can think of arguments on which campaigns are started on '"integration" for the more' or less disadvantaged, for foreigners .. but what a burden the state efforts on these compared to 8 per thousand for the Church?

    Other matter. Referring to 5 × 1000 makes me think if the state deems most 'in need of help nonprofit world or the Church, given the figures that asking citizens to contribute.
    In particular, the state has given the Church, with 8 per thousand, about eight times the contribution to the world of entertainment (Performing Arts Fund Act) and the proportion and 'continues to rise.

    Another question to which I can not give a convincing spegazione. Why 'today and' giving the required 8 per thousand? and why 'and not' the same for the 5 per thousand? because 'the Church is the 8 compared with 5 per thousand to nonprofit? and why 'the 5 per thousand has a roof and 8 per thousand is not it?
    I do not know how to order these thoughts.
    I'd love to have your own opinion. Thank you!

  2. Fabio on September 19, 2007 wrote:

    Dear Valerio, congratulations: beautiful blog! You are always the coolest fundraiser, updated, optimistic.
    I hope to learn from you.
    I know I'll see you in October in Forlì.
    Greetings

    Fabio

  3. Roberto Grendene on September 24, 2007 wrote:

    Hi.

    To understand what 'the 8 × 1000 see:
    http://www.uaar.it/laicita/otto_per_mille/

    Some points I agree with his analysis of Valerio Melandri ("the ideal would be that the Christian community will take charge of ensuring the livelihood of their priests") than others ("The eight per thousand has been and continues to be a good solution - envied by other nations - to solve the problem of maintaining the clergy ").

    Greetings
    Roberto Grendene

  4. Valerio Melandri on September 26, 2007 wrote:

    Mine is a beautiful overall response to the two posts that have arrived:

    1 - 8 per thousand is the outcome of the invention of Giulio Tremonti (which is certainly not a "cattolicone" ...), at the time was economic advisor Bettino Craxi, during the signing of the Concordat. The same Tremonti, I spoke to him in person a couple of years ago, told me that if the rifacesse 8 per thousand would not do it with the current scheme, but with the scheme of 5 per thousand (another invention of the same Tremonti). I also told the nice observation that some years ago his wife said, "but in this 8 per thousand, and even if I decide I do not sign, go anyway." the wife of the man who had invented the same mechanism, did not understand the story. That said I am convinced that the 8 per thousand is a good way of coexistence between religions (note that you can 'give all denominations) and the State, that is a good AGREEMENT, made "with harmony," a Concordat. It always reminds concrodato between the Catholic church and the state, but you must remember for each of the 8 to 8 per thousand religions allowed an arrangement was made. Someone can 'believe that it makes sense that the state fund and aid the development of religions. I personally think it's fair, and with me the majority of Italians, but this does not mean that if the majority of Italians would change his mind, it would be equally respected. I personally believe that the benefit of strong churches (Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, etc.) to bring civil society, the solution of physical problems, material, spiritual) are significantly higher than the carrying value of 8 per thousand. But that's my point of view.

    2 - As for the story (and a little vexed 'moralist) of "8 per mille is 8 times higher FUS, and twice in less than X, or 7 times more of Y, etc." If we put on this plan is never finished. Because there will always be something more 'important or less important or important ugualmenete anything that according to our judgments are not going well.
    Here is a dialogue, hypothetical for me to understand:
    "From 50 euros for abandoned dogs? But like 50 euros for abandoned dogs? No more would I give you them for children who are starving in Africa? "-" Oh! In Africa? But if there 'people in Italy who can not do it to make ends meet! Before we help "our" and then think of others "-" But we already have so much! Think rather to those workers who work in the mines and that after 10 years of work are already 'sick. They should raise the salary "-" you 'but it looks that even the kindergarten teacher has a good stress, and thinks responsibilities. You should ensure that retire early. " ... etc. In this way you will not do anything! And whatever does not fit ... which really seems to me not "human."
    Again thanks for the comments!
    VM

  5. Raffaele Picilli on September 26, 2007 wrote:

    Who flies Alitalia may be pleased to know that with a part dell'8xmille "donated" by some citizens to the state, we tried to plug a little 'holes in the budget of the national airline ... Personally I feel a little' owner dell'MD80 seat that makes the Naples-Milan ...

    Raffaele Picilli

  6. Roberto Grendene on September 26, 2007 wrote:

    Thank you for answer.

    We think in a different way on the funding of religion. An account and 'welfare fund a project run by a religious body, that the state should double check in terms of professionalism and the resulting' used, and another 'cult of finance. In particular, then, art. 52 of the European Constitutional Treaty, ratified by our parliament, treats religious non-confessional philosophical associations. This' means that the agreement signed by the State with 7 representatives should not be denied to religious associations filosifiche exponentials of other world views (atheist, agnostic, humanist, bright, etc..). Instead, this discrimination in our legal system remains, therefore, to associations and citizens as well as atheists and agnostics' to children who have no religion Understanding arrangement with the state.

    The introduction of 5 × 1000, then, still managed by Tremonti, and 'was seen as another gesture of clericalism (and clericalism and' so often done by non-believers ... people think of the approval of Togliatti on Article .7 the constitution or the various devotees-atheists ...). In fact there were increasing demands that are available for the 8 × 1000 the state of scientific research: Tremonti create 'then 5 × 1000, initially limited as recipients, with great advantage in scientific research. Then at 5 × 1000 were opened the doors for the association in general, and many new reality 'religious sprang up as recipients.

    Sincerely,
    Roberto Grendene

  7. Valerio Melandri on September 27, 2007 wrote:

    Thank you for answer.

    We think in a different way on the funding of religion. An account and 'welfare fund a project run by a religious body, that the state should double check in terms of professionalism and the resulting' used, and another 'cult of finance.

    Dear Robert, thanks again. But allow me a small observation: In this first part of the post you say "if the money used to fund charitable projects" would not have problems.

    Then the last part of his post says:

    "Then at 5 × 1000 were opened the doors for the association in general, and many new reality 'religious sprang up as recipients."

    As if to say: "I do not seem right that religious associations, are funded to do business assistenzali" which is exactly the opposite of what he says at the beginning.

    I agree with you on much, but not "hate" anyone or anything, let alone something that has nothing to do with me (atheists, agnostics).

    The root of true liberalism, is not hate, do not ban "them", just because they think differently.

    With the information from me, I suggested some good ideas, because now I leave the subject of this blog is the fund raising and not the church, then interrupt the conversation here, that can 'easily be performed outside of the blog,
    See you soon and resent.
    VM

    Sincerely,
    Roberto Grendene

  8. Roberto Grendene on September 28, 2007 wrote:

    I went from this site just because 'in search of a professional fund-raising for the association to which I belong, which defends the civil rights of citizens of atheists and agnostics.
    Coincidentally there was this post, and understand that we went off topic.

    I also close my participation in this thread, possibly to continue in private.
    Pemetta I just point out that there is no 'contradiction in what' I wrote (I may have expressed myself badly, this is'): in essence, do not deny the right of associations to participate in the confessional of the matrix 5 × 1000. But I watch 'so that' doing the 8 × 1000 relieves you of funding that would cover. A second operation that Tremonti has increased funding to religion as such, and no nal project funding assistance.
    Finally, I have no hatred, defending freedom and secularism 'of conscience and expression of thought (of which the freedom' of religion and worship are special cases).

    Cordially
    Roberto Grendene

  9. Valerio Melandri on September 30, 2007 wrote:

    Thanks Roberto of his post, I disagree with her on many things, but she can 'talk. And speak well. Why, let me, she has the great advantage of being an intelligent person who knows how to talk (or talk and listen), she argues, it is reasonable, is not demagogic. In short, is the classic adversary ... to be afraid!
    And so there is' need this "fear" (in a good way) to speak.
    It takes so little to make a polemic (= polemos to war), a construction time (= construens make peace ...).
    Roberto and thank you again soon.
    VM

  10. James B. Gazzola on October 2, 2007 wrote:
  11. mario Antignani on October 4, 2007 wrote:

    when compiling my tax return I am that I sign the eight thousand and not the state. with this I agree with the state, that we, in that part of my tax burden should not be public administration, but in the case, for a religious body.
    I do not think so correct to say that with the eight per thousand state funds a religion, like all religious confessions admitted to this possibility. then if the majority of these choices are free to believe what the Catholic Church is due to our cultural roots.
    actually the question as always is to establish to what extent the state should intervene in certain matters, even where the city welcomes and must begin to feel their responsibility to support what feels right to support. but you know, taking her to sea, when you start talking about links you should begin to talk about community, as a supportive community of course. we are still thinking

    mario Antignani

  12. James B. Gazzola on October 25, 2007 wrote:

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