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Letter to the Minister Giovanardi on the Family.

Data: July 29, 2011

I just sent this letter to the Minister Giovanardi. Who knows if I will respond!

Dear Mr. Minister Giovanardi

my name is Valerio Melandri, have been married for 12 years, father of three children, and teach at the University of Bologna. Even my wife Elizabeth works (part time) and is dependent public. I am writing because a few days ago I received notification of repayment of the Baby Bonus for improper collection, the 1000 euros in 2006.

Nothing to complain. Mine was actually an undue collection.
In asking for the bonus (which you could obtain only if the family - or the amount of income of husband and wife - was less than 50,000 euros), I considered the NET income of the household (the one after paying taxes, which is well below the threshold), while he was considered the GROSS income of the household (which is rather above the threshold of 50,000).
As soon as I found out, I returned the stolen goods, and made my apologies to the government. I certainly do not $ 1000 I do not belong.
But that's not why I write. I want it to reflect on some things short:
1 - A friend of mine, who has two children, NOT married, but only to cohabiting (perfectly legitimate choice, mind you!), And my income has the same (does exactly my job), has received the Baby Bonus and do not return NOT because being married is not income with his wife and therefore he is well below the threshold of 50,000.
2 - NOT married to the same colleague, is before me on the list of kindergartens in my town. It is not before me because it earns less, but only because he is married and has NOT given "parental rights" of children to his wife. He, in a perfectly legal, is living with her mother .... and so live as I live, but has all the advantages that I married, I did not.
3 - Also, always staying on the Baby Bonus, all immigrants who have received the Baby Bonus NOT have returned, because there 'was an amnesty. So the Italians that they are wrong you are asking for money back (with an incredibly violent, threatening criminal charges and penalties unusual), while the immigrants they say "well hold on everything, and sorry if we made mistakes." I do not have with the immigrants! But why two such different treatment? Because the Department is so arrogant with us Italians and so pliant and reasonable with the immigrants?
It does so much to talk about family policy, but it seems to me that here there are only policies for partners (who complain of being discriminated against, when the opposite is true!) And high tolerance (for charity, in some cases more than right! !) for our non-EU citizens.
But I do not pay taxes? Why me, just because I'm married, I have less rights than those who are not married and living in my same situation?
I know that in September my wife and I split up ... so we will have childcare, scholarships, baby bonus, and maybe even public housing ...
I do not know, you see, definitely Italy needs to eliminate these injustices.
Mr. Minister do something! His is the Ministry of the Family or the Family But Only If Not Married?
Thank you for listening.
Kindness vivid,
Valerio Melandri

20 comments to the post.

  1. Claudio Goatelli the day July 29, 2011 wrote:

    His letter, dear Professor. Melandri, hits the mark: I'd like to use the paths alongside the local government planning policies to support the family needs that I carry every day.

    Kindness!
    Claudio Goatelli

    PS from what I know, Giovanardi is a secretary ...

  2. Valerio Melandri on the day July 29, 2011 wrote:

    free to use! and thanks for the comment! vm

  3. Giuseppe Rossi the day July 29, 2011 wrote:

    In fact it is an Undersecretary Giovanardi, but I hope to read your letter and give a public response. The Italian administration specializes in different treatments and usually different for the worse for those who are in need of normalcy. It 's necessary to change the situation ... Compliemti!

  4. mauro on the day July 30, 2011 wrote:

    Dear prof., We are many in your same situation. Perhaps it would be better to separate and live as a couple in fact. Policies on the family today is not even married couples and facilitate the birth. Try gaurdare since 1990 has varied since the fertility rates of Italian women. Not at all. All successive governments in these twenty years have claimed to make policies for the family, but unless we get married and make very few children. Someone is wrong, but something you are not taking their responsibility.

  5. Zanchetta in the day July 30, 2011 wrote:

    Dear Prof. Melandri, to say that I agree with the point his reflection.
    I would then contribute to the thought bringing attention to those who are rientranto within the limits of income and, therefore, has received the bonus, for the simple reason of being a tax dodger ... Yes, I am referring to those people who can not pay your taxes which should, instead of us employees (maggiornanza of the Italians and, I trust, recipients of the letter sent to the improper collection) declare that every penny.
    But then, what "Italy" should we look?
    What lessons / references should give our children?
    I'm just saying, not with bitterness but with the sad realization that the messages that we have very high giugono be very different from what we have been taught by our fathers.
    I fact remains that a very sad!

  6. Valerio Melandri on the day July 31, 2011 wrote:

    In thanks, Mauro and Giuseppe and Claudio! on! and we hope that you become aware of the situation ... oh my God there are far more serious situations, but at least that will stop with the rhetoric of discrimination, because it is the exact opposite.

  7. Stella the day August 1, 2011 wrote:

    Hello Professor,
    She was able to transfer into words perfectly well all our confusion and our outrage! We also are married for 12 years, with 4 children, and we promptly return the bonus that there was no doubt due to a mere interpretation. But is it right that the family, as the fulcrum of society, is only considered in the days of the Family Day and then the day of reckoning is only and always discriminated? With my accountant we did a calculation: we would save annually in taxes and levies or recovery allowances, between 5000 and 6000 euros if we were divorced. We're almost thinking, but then I say, what sense does a "fake" like that? We teach our children honesty, courage, solidarity: we really hope that they, one day, things can change, in this Italy without the "family quotient".
    Thanks also to our name to the letter.

  8. antonio the day August 1, 2011 wrote:

    I fully
    Anthony Frascella

  9. laura the day August 1, 2011 wrote:

    is not a question of "married" or "partners": I have decided not to marry and accept the consequences and there are also many examples of "discrimination" against those they live with, but surely the example is part of the series "is said "but" not done "everything that our government has already widely used to considering.
    are other considerations about the term "family".

  10. Valerio Melandri day August 1st, 2011 wrote:

    Who agrees with me, and did me the honor to let me know, I just say a big thank you and a strength and courage (antonio, star in, etc.).
    A Laura say: yes it is true is NOT a matter of "married" or "living together". I do not question at all a way of life (live together and not married, that everyone does what he pleases, I am a lover of freedom, never mind!), The context of the fact that I am at a disadvantage because they are married. And 'objective that I pay more taxes have fewer facilities, are always behind in the ranking in any public service, just because I declare publicly (by marriage) to stay with a person to make a family. Simply not fair. Period.

  11. monica day August 2, 2011 wrote:

    I fully share his lettera.Ho returned the gift to the knight and I just hope that the criminal sanctions should be to invalidate all. One thing is certain: this I do not trust the Italian government più.Bisognerebbe drop everything, and have the courage to do it, go live here because it is very difficult

  12. Andrea Day August 4, 2011 wrote:

    A true injustice that she has an income of over 50 000 do not take the bonus while extracomunitRi it must return.
    I propose to be a precarious collection.

  13. Student Day August 4, 2011 wrote:

    Right, we do a good fundraiser for the prof.
    Rather, I raise: can come and eat with me tonight. There are immigrants or cohabiting couples, promised.

  14. Valerio Melandri day August 4th, 2011 wrote:

    Dear Andrea, Dear Student,
    thanks for the comment, and healthy irony ... it takes forever!

    1 - point number 1. I was wrong, and it is supposed to return and pay the $ 1000. Closed. I was entitled and did not due it, then this is right.

    2 - I, valerio melandri not have an income greater than 50,000. The sum of my income and that of my wife, surpasses him. My only observation is that if I had not married, I had the baby bonus, but since they are not married. This is unfair.
    Everyone does what he wants, who marries and who does not marry. everyone does what he wants. But the rights and duties must be the same.

    3 - How to precarious, know dear Andrea, I got my degree in 1991 and I made the precarious for 10 years (ten), living by their wits, and making an ass like that. Then in 2001 I won the contest all'Unibo. in the meantime I got married and had a family, from insecure. The demagogic rhetoric of "precarious" with me is not really the case to it.

    4 - As for immigrants, I have spent and spend my life for the defense and justice, even of our fellow immigrants in search of better fortune. and I never said it would be fair to them that they restituite. I just said there are two weights and two measures.

    Ps I accept the invitation to dinner! And thank you! Where and when?

  15. elena the day August 30, 2011 wrote:

    Holy words. Because instead of just write to the Minister Giovanardi does not write to MPs and senators of the League? In my opinion, at least on the part of immigrants should be very sensitive ...
    About the amnesty for them that has set the standard?

  16. Marcello on the day August 30, 2011 wrote:

    Good evening,

    she says:


    Dear Andrea, Dear Student,
    thanks for the comment, and healthy irony it takes forever!

    1 - point number 1. I was wrong, and it is supposed to return and pay the $ 1000. Closed. I was entitled and did not due it, then this is right.

    God forbid that if they were kept :-)
    Mica could choose whether to keep them, among other things
    (Megalomania?).


    2 - I, valerio melandri not have an income greater than 50,000. The sum of my income and that of my wife, surpasses him. My only observation is that if I had not married, I had the baby bonus, but since they are not married. This is unfair.
    Everyone does what he wants, who marries and who does not marry. everyone does that chu want. But the rights and duties must be the same.


    This is a castroneria, as they know who do not marry. The two incomes (his own and his nonmoglie) was to be added, however, if you had not married, the rest would present a single marital status and the ISEE would have testified.

    If your colleague does not have instead recognized the child, are made private. Perhaps it was also a difficult and painful choice that he never wanted to do.

    What has him marry or not marry the right daycare??

    From that world and the world there goes the baby nursery, not the parent, then what can the child if her marry, leave, live together?


    3 - How to precarious, know dear Andrea, I got my degree in 1991 and I made ​​the precarious for 10 years (ten), living by their wits, and making an ass like that. Then in 2001 I won the contest allíUnibo. in the meantime I got married and had a family, from insecure. The rhetoric of the demagogic ìprecariatoî with me is not really the case to it.


    Do not think you exaggerate a bit '? I do not seem to be describing a life that adventurous. Sure, I understand that she is proud of having led the life he has done, but look at that part of the most banal ordinariness. Is he not a Che Guevara, Simon Bolivar a, a Sandokan ...
    And then, what "populist rhetoric" about? And 'she who is making a crude demagoguery of supeprof Noantri.

    I learned long ago from a local TV station that his father was a Senator of the Republic, certainly a person that has worked well, God forbid!, But mica can say is that from the favelas ...

    Work at the university, probably she loves her job, good for her.
    So relax :-)


    4 - As for immigrants, I have spent and spend my life for the defense and justice, even of our fellow immigrants in search of better fortune. and I never said it would be fair to them that they restituite. I just said there are two weights and two measures.

    Ps I agree líinvito dinner! And thank you! Where and when?


    "He spent his life"? Alas, another professor hyperbole, we see that their escape. But I believe the word, but now face a - small - bathroom of humility: his speech, but especially the letter to the Minister on the Family (HER family), I believe, are really out of place.
    And the matter of "immigrants" since then ... I do not profit I expect something less trivial.
    By the way, are called "immigrants", then maybe you find they are Polish, and then "Community", just like us.

    Friendliness.

  17. Valerio Melandri day August 31, 2011 wrote:

    Dear Marcello,
    I say just that when I joined the local branch of the Ministry of Economic Development, where by law they return the money received by mistake, the manager told me (I quote): "Sorry but but she is not living together?" and I "no "and he" sin "would not otherwise have due to return." That's it.
    So what she says is completely wrong.
    For the rest say what he wants, to me it's okay. I ask only one favor: Feel free to offend me (megalomaniac, rough, exaggerated, I do hyperbole, arrogant, out of place, etc.) but please, do not pull out my father. Nothing to do.
    I meekly subtract this "no" box. Good Life!

  18. Valerio Melandri day August 31, 2011 wrote:

    Elena there 'was an amnesty made by the Prodi government, based on a preliminary point of law that had recognized the good faith of those who had requested the bonus though not right. It's actually been done to safeguard the Italian Post Office, that being the distributors of the bonus material had not properly checked the identity of the recipient. Thanks and see you soon!

  19. Paola on the day November 11, 2011 wrote:

    Good morning.
    Nice letter. Too bad that the discrimination against unmarried couples are so many that I and my partner we had to give up and get married.
    Precise that we have not used any of escamotages mentioned (and which I find shameful): We are both lifelong residents in the house, our daughter has been recognized by my partner a few weeks before his birth, my partner is always headed anagrafe the municipality.
    We were just a family without a signature.
    The incomes are added together. I seemed to have all the duties of a family without having any rights.
    The people you mentioned probably would be able to find ways to 'escape' of 'circumvention' of the law even within marriage.
    I understand your anger at the rogue (just what it is), but please let lose de facto couples.
    Paola Giliberti

  20. valerio day November 11, 2011 wrote:

    Paola nice, thanks for your email.
    Maybe he's right about everything, except that it is dishonest to change residence, if by "dishonest" means something that goes against the "law". What they do unmarried couples, and 'to declare a residence, in order to have a gain in terms of scores for asylum, public housing, for scholarships, facilities for buses, etc.. If this' discrimination! to the face! Simple and not illegal. Certainly unethical, but illegal ... and this like many other things: If I use my money to go to the movies with my kids, family expenses are not deductible from income (and God forbid ...!) But if one is separate from food to ex-wife, and she goes to the movies with the kids, the same action and 'deductible from income (food is deductible ....). This is Italy, not a country for families.

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